Is "Liberal" The N-Word Of The Left???

Wainkerr99 · May 7, 2009

Like Wow. Awesome.
Shall I negrep him or will you?

Numnuts.

Mmm. Let's see. First, I hope I don't kill this thread. PLEASE. FOR ONCE!

Second, this thread reminds me of "V." TV "V."

If only things were that cut and dried.
Are Texans liberal or conservative? Do they get to keep their guns? I have much to learn about American politics. However, it is good to note that a core of people may indeed exist within the mass of 'uncare," if I may invent a word, that is swelling within the public consciousness buried as it is by the daily stresses of living, who want to steer things along a political stance, however neo that bent may be.

It is not frightening to observe a 'liberal' or 'conservative' how to do manual lying on a President's desk.

It is frightening that lines previously drawn, as this thread suggests, are becoming blurred within the mishmash of so-called liberal sentiment. There again, I remember these arguments being held whilst I was growing up.

My personal belief is that the events, technologies, food availability of the day determine the political stance, and not the other way around. If that happens, if that desperation of need brings on a totalitarian overthrow of any dissenting voice, well, time to pack up and leave to Alaska.

calpoon · May 7, 2009

Wainkerr99 said:
Like Wow. Awesome.
Shall I negrep him or will you?

Numnuts.

Oh, come on. he may be crude and obscene, but at least he's being honest and literal. I say that it's a refreshment from all the BS obfuscation that we have been seeing.

Of course, I prefer Meetdick's post. But tomato, potatoe.

curiousWAN · May 7, 2009

why do you need a definition, cause i said this;

liberalism is so alien to human nature. i wish what it idealizes could be true but it's not going to happen. so in the end i'm a realist.

yes, i think like below;

I would deduce from your stance, if indeed I am understanding you, that you have little or no faith in mankind's ability to govern itself with elements like liberty, freedom and any expression of free will in place.

you think otherwise? then you are not looking to the world but maybe only to manhattan square or something. liberals has different dnas? they don't thrive for fame and power like the rest? you want me to believe that if some %100 liberal party to be elected next time in usa, that was going to change things even a little bit?

capitalism, that's what i hate the most. while defending equality how can you accept capitalism and then how can you say communism and liberalism alike? some certain people just getting fatter and fatter. is this equal? some certain people surrounded certain lands with barbed wires and declared that those lands are theirs. tell me, how do you even own a land? all you need is power. this whole world come to this shape with bloodshed and slavery and murder and hypocrisy. now, certain countries like usa, uk or france calling themselves as democratic or progressive or whatever. well, how did you end up like that? i tell you, you go all sorts of places like africa and south america etc. take what you need from there, killing people, eradicating their culture, making them believe what you believe, leaving nothing for them. not even their freedom. then you use those people and materials to develop industry, to make bigger guns and also bigger universities. now, you are talking about democracy and equality. you even blame countries you pillaged for being anti-democratic. all i see here is hypocrisy.

i think this hypocrisy continues. but liberalism has nothing to do with what usa did in the last decade? believing peace and equality is one thing, doing something to make those things happen other. claiming that you are different is one thing, making people believe to that other. any crazy person can claim that he will create the most peaceful and whatever world for you, it's an easy thing, lying and saying what people want to hear, a banner in your hand walking down the street which says "freedom to iraq" or writing an g.bush critic in the newspaper... are those how to stop a goverment doing evil things?

so, it doesn't matter how you define liberalism. as i said in my first post it's an utopia. define an utopia all you want, sure it will sound great. can you really put it into practice?

calpoon · May 7, 2009

Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?

No one understands the words that are coming out of your mouth.

curiousWAN · May 7, 2009

calpoon said:
Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?

No one understands the words that are coming out of your mouth.

don't you think everyone as thick as you. some people out there can understand stuff even if there are some grammar mistakes and written without much punctation. in fact i really like the way i write it automatically disqualifies morons.

calpoon · May 7, 2009

curiousWAN said:
don't you think everyone as thick as you.

I don't think every

One as thick as me Yes we

Have no bananas

Jagger69 · May 7, 2009

curiousWAN said:
why do you need a definition, cause i said this;

yes, i think like below;

you think otherwise? then you are not looking to the world but maybe only to manhattan square or something. liberals has different dnas? they don't thrive for fame and power like the rest? you want me to believe that if some %100 liberal party to be elected next time in usa, that was going to change things even a little bit?

capitalism, that's what i hate the most. while defending equality how can you accept capitalism and then how can you say communism and liberalism alike? some certain people just getting fatter and fatter. is this equal? some certain people surrounded certain lands with barbed wires and declared that those lands are theirs. tell me, how do you even own a land? all you need is power. this whole world come to this shape with bloodshed and slavery and murder and hypocrisy. now, certain countries like usa, uk or france calling themselves as democratic or progressive or whatever. well, how did you end up like that? i tell you, you go all sorts of places like africa and south america etc. take what you need from there, killing people, eradicating their culture, making them believe what you believe, leaving nothing for them. not even their freedom. then you use those people and materials to develop industry, to make bigger guns and also bigger universities. now, you are talking about democracy and equality. you even blame countries you pillaged for being anti-democratic. all i see here is hypocrisy.

i think this hypocrisy continues. but liberalism has nothing to do with what usa did in the last decade? believing peace and equality is one thing, doing something to make those things happen other. claiming that you are different is one thing, making people believe to that other. any crazy person can claim that he will create the most peaceful and whatever world for you, it's an easy thing, lying and saying what people want to hear, a banner in your hand walking down the street which says "freedom to iraq" or writing an g.bush critic in the newspaper... are those how to stop a goverment doing evil things?

so, it doesn't matter how you define liberalism. as i said in my first post it's an utopia. define an utopia all you want, sure it will sound great. can you really put it into practice?

You didn't answer my question and then you go off on a diatribe about hating capitalism so I'm not sure where I can take this from here with you my friend. If you want to discuss the evils of capitalism, that's a whole other subject. I just don't see what your post has to do with liberalism in particular.

E-Ann-Hilden · May 8, 2009

A good read regarding the current state of conservative politics..

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1896588,00.html?xid=newsletter-daily

Jason z · May 8, 2009

Mr.Bungle said:
No, ****** is the N-word for the left.

Oh watch the N word there. Call them Nic gerz instead. Or try Neo-con. The N word of the fucking idiotic right!

Skyraider22 · May 8, 2009

Yes:dunno:

bustybbwlover · May 8, 2009

liberalism
2. a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
the definition comes from: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberalism
some other info about liberalism
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/liberalism.aspx
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/

curiousWAN · May 8, 2009

Jagger69 said:
You didn't answer my question and then you go off on a diatribe about hating capitalism so I'm not sure where I can take this from here with you my friend. If you want to discuss the evils of capitalism, that's a whole other subject. I just don't see what your post has to do with liberalism in particular.

liberalism is basically more democracy. more freedom, more human rights etc.

usa being ruled with democracy since when? did they think like, man, our regime is democracy we shouldn't torture people, invade lands and stuff?

no.

so you have a new name for it with even more freedom?

who cares?

i'm not going to discuss liberalism academically or whatever here. i'm looking at facts and history. i don't care words and their definitons.

Hot Mega · May 8, 2009

curiousWAN said:
i'm not going to discuss liberalism academically or whatever here. i'm looking at facts and history. i don't care words and their definitons.

How do you hope to communicate reasonably with anyone if the definitions or meanings of words are unimportant to you??

For example, what actually makes a person a Christian? What you call them, what they call themselves or whether they adhere to the principles of the religion?

curiousWAN · May 8, 2009

Hot Mega said:
How do you hope to communicate reasonably with anyone if the definitions or meanings of words are unimportant to you??

For example, what actually makes a person a Christian? What you call them, what they call themselves or whether they adhere to the principles of the religion?

the latter, which is the fact. not all the meanings of all the words unimportant but if you tell me this is democracy and show me usa as an example then you either don't know what's democracy or your (usa) democracy knows no human rights.

this is a fact in the hand for me to foresee your future use of liberalism. you will go let gays marry each other, produce bigger dildos tax free and maybe let terrorist publish magazines as long as they don't really kill anyone, let all the people buy a gun WHILE supporting (yes, not letting) israel to fuck around and invading countries on your own etc.

if democracy was working well, that was enough. it doesn't. who is guilty? you or democracy? and the liberalism is saviour?

i should add that, democracy or liberalism or whatever... as long as there's a "wild capitalism" it's gonna rot from inside.

bodie54 · May 8, 2009

i think this hypocrisy continues. but liberalism has nothing to do with what usa did in the last decade?

You're using a flawed database. Liberalism has been pretty well suffocated over the last decade. Many are making efforts to revive it despite the incessant howling of reactionaries.

believing peace and equality is one thing, doing something to make those things happen other.

The abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement....those seem like pretty good examples of turning high minded principles into reality, and often at great cost.

Roughneck · May 8, 2009

Facetious said:
Another thing - JFK would be a far right winger if he were alive today.

Bullshit.

JFK was an authoritarian asshole. Don't let the rhetoric fool ya....

curiousWAN · May 8, 2009

bodie54 said:
You're using a flawed database. Liberalism has been pretty well suffocated over the last decade. Many are making efforts to revive it despite the incessant howling of reactionaries.

The abolition of slavery, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement....those seem like pretty good examples of turning high minded principles into reality, and often at great cost.

and your database is pretty old. in the year 2009, you are still talking about "the abolition of slavery" as a success? what about the new slavery system called capitalism where you should work for little money to make other people richer and richer? yeah they don't whip you maybe, that's an improvement.

Jagger69 · May 8, 2009

curiousWAN said:
liberalism is basically more democracy. more freedom, more human rights etc.

usa being ruled with democracy since when? did they think like, man, our regime is democracy we shouldn't torture people, invade lands and stuff?

no.

so you have a new name for it with even more freedom?

who cares?

i'm not going to discuss liberalism academically or whatever here. i'm looking at facts and history. i don't care words and their definitons.

I think the truth of the matter is that you despise the United States and what it stands for and especially actions it has taken internationally over the past number of decades. By transference, you despise the capitalistic system. This must be true since there are literally dozens of other nations that are both capitalistic in economic system and democratic/republic in governmental system and I have not heard you refer to any of them. It's America you hate so please don't hide behind the "liberal" curtain as a justification for your feelings.

curiousWAN · May 8, 2009

Jagger69 said:
I think the truth of the matter is that you despise the United States and what it stands for and especially actions it has taken internationally over the past number of decades. By transference, you despise the capitalistic system. This must be true since there are literally dozens of other nations that are both capitalistic in economic system and democratic/republic in governmental system and I have not heard you refer to any of them. It's America you hate so please don't hide behind the "liberal" curtain as a justification for your feelings.

i don't really know. as i said, if i believe in one thing that's will to power. do you think i wouldn't hate it if it was tanzania? i mean, if tanzania was the super power of this world, ruled by democracy and doing what usa does?

no, i don't hate usa because of its flag or culture or geographical location... maybe i hate human nature and usa where it shows itself. you know what they say, if you want to test a persons character, give him/her the power...

i basically just want to see more action. i like anarchy for that. throw stones to policeman, break some glasses to feel a bit better at least! sitting there and keep saying rule of law, equality and whatever is just what everyone does. bring back the old times where when people are mad going against the king and cutting his throat, you know?

haha.

Hot Mega · May 8, 2009

curiousWAN said:
the latter, which is the fact. not all the meanings of all the words unimportant but if you tell me this is democracy and show me usa as an example then you either don't know what's democracy or your (usa) democracy knows no human rights.

this is a fact in the hand for me to foresee your future use of liberalism. you will go let gays marry each other, produce bigger dildos tax free and maybe let terrorist publish magazines as long as they don't really kill anyone, let all the people buy a gun WHILE supporting (yes, not letting) israel to fuck around and invading countries on your own etc.

if democracy was working well, that was enough. it doesn't. who is guilty? you or democracy? and the liberalism is saviour?

i should add that, democracy or liberalism or whatever... as long as there's a "wild capitalism" it's gonna rot from inside.

Sticking to the subject, Liberalism vs Progressivism (I'm not sure what democracy has to do with it and whether we have a true democracy is another subject) the simple point is to the question by the thread starter.

The starter of this thread asks in essence, are "liberals" fleeing the term "liberal" in favor of progressive because Liberals are embarrassed, ashamed or whatever? The answer to that is no, Liberal and Progressive are two different ideologies.

There are those who identify with the left who also presumably thought they were liberal until (I imagine) they found out what a liberal would actually stand for.

Consistently so, if conservatives actually knew what the liberal ideology was, they wouldn't refer to people who believe in progressivism as liberals.

Assuming conservatives actually know what liberalism is, it's not in their interests to identify liberalism by it's accurate principles because most people in the US (including many so-called conservatives) would actually identify with those principles. Then where does that leave those who call themselves conservatives?

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