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If you're sitting down and haven't just eaten a large meal, by all means keep reading.
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If you're not sitting down or there is any risk of nausea or loss of consciousness, just open script4.rpy and comment out lines 21534 through 21545, and then insert $ results = 4 just before line 21546.
This is a great tip, thank you. Just a head's up, the line numbers you mentioned appear to be a bit different on my pc.

If you change both results=4 and counts=4, it will also skip the mini-game altogether.

Oh, for the record, I felt the mini-game was much less annoying than they are in most games...
 
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Why would I even bother with the Dylan event when if you send him to boarding school, not only do you not have to bother with an impossible event, but there's still the potential for more naked Ellie. Kinda curious what she's up to at this point in time.
There is a very high quality but very short looped animation of sophia’s boobs bouncing up and down as she jogs, nipples so stiff they could poke your eyes out, so there it does have that going for it.
And it has to be said, the loop is kind of humorous because the background is moving in the frame, too, so the background loops too.
 

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But conceptually, are people unhappy with it? If L&P works the bugs out I wouldn't mind the occasional mini game
Nah, it’s not buggy at all. It’s just so random and unexpected, almost (gasp) as if it was an idea that occurred to L&P at the spur of the moment and without any planning whatsoever, and since he thought of it it became necessary and un-droppable, so he made it, and because he made it it is necessary for telling the story as it was planned, because otherwise why would it have been made in the first place.

My problem is first, that mini games are a departure from his vision of the erotic VN. Second, this mini game is amateurish, basic, so it kind of brings the whole thing to a base level.

it’s the kind of thing he should have played with in testing and realized it’s too lame to include in this game. Like certain Dylan watching people shower after yoga sequences.

At minimum, L&P would have done better to un-ren BAD’s brawler game and done that instead. Yeah, it’s a rip-off job, but at least it’s a nod to excellence instead of an amateurish limp-dicked implementation of what was clearly an unplanned and impromptu decision to break our concentration.
 
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Nah, it’s not buggy at all. It’s just so random and unexpected, almost (gasp) as if it was an idea that occurred to L&P at the spur of the moment and without any planning whatsoever, and since he thought of it it became necessary and un-droppable, so he made it, and because he made it it is necessary for telling the story as it was planned, because otherwise why would it have been made in the first place.

My problem is first, that mini games are a departure from his vision of the erotic VN. Second, this mini game is amateurish, basic, so it kind of brings the whole thing to a base level.

it’s the kind of thing he should have played with in testing and realized it’s too lame to include in this game. Like certain Dylan watching people shower after yoga sequences.

At minimum, L&P would have done better to un-ren BAD’s brawler game and done that instead. Yeah, it’s a rip-off job, but at least it’s a nod to excellence instead of an amateurish limp-dicked implementation of what was clearly an unplanned and impromptu decision to break our concentration.
Do you hate it more for being amateurish or for being a departure from a strict VN?
 

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Dude, chill out. Moderators have discretion and don’t owe any of us an explanation or an apology. I’ve had plenty of posts deleted and so have many others. It’s all good, it’s not that deep. Just move on.
I was going to address this too, but it seems that the mods got to it quickly. Some people just can't handle the internet. We're all frustrated with the game, but there's a line between criticism and being a jerk. Clearly our approach is not getting through to L&P, so we can't just beat him up if we hope to ever reach him.
 

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It's erotic in the context of what's happening in the place & time. It's a matter of personal taste but to me there is no erotic charge in a son lusting after his mother but many fans are playing this game for the incest. Until people started having a jab at the blackmail, I had nothing to say on either subject. Now I find I'm posting about the Aiden path regularly, even though it's far from the only reason I play AWAM. Instead of speculating about where it could, (& probably won't) go, many posts seem to express disapproval in some form.

Every single adult corruption game I've ever played contained coercion. This was usually of a much cruder, straightforward type than has so far featured in AWAM, which up to now has been blackmail with a vanilla flavour but has still managed to be erotic. Just as it could be wondered as to why I play a corruption game containing incest, (which I avoid when I can), so it could be mystifying as to why the coercion factor has not been taken for granted in a game of this genre & pulls in so many negative comments. It's an integral part of the theme folks.

There are so many options available for those who find it too much, from never starting it at all, to myriad ways of ducking out of it, with more to come. Incest is MUCH harder to avoid. Even I didn't grasp when I started playing, just how important an aspect it would be. I understand that people all have widely differing tastes in the AWAM fanbase but here's the thing..... I like the blackmail. I find it erotic. I'm never going to apologise for that. I'm here to indulge in dark fantasies in an entirely fictional world, as are incest fans. It doesn't mean that either of those branches of the fanbase would take part in such practices in reality. I will not be kink-shamed, have blackmail labelled as toxic, or otherwise sit back when some of this story's best bits (IMO), are under attack. Nor will I do what I've long considered, ie drop in to make some disparaging remark about the incest, in the style of the blackmail critiques.

Playing AWAM, whether for incest, blackmail, or anything else, does not make any of us greater sinners than we already are.
I’m just calling out that I don’t consider it “erotic”, and specifically that word. Hot, sexy, arousing, flips my cookie, all those things: yes. Erotic, to my mind, connotes a mutual consent and enjoyment. If it were even set up where Ares says “I’m gonna squeeze your titties” - you know, says something aggressive and vulgar and then the choice is “this excites me” or “keep your fucking hands off me”, then choosing to continue, for me, at least, preserves the “erotic” element.

I’m the end, this is pure semantics and depends entirely on how broad our personal interpretation of “erotic” is. For me, Ares’s actions w/o direct consent is not erotic, it’s forcible. But, to each their own.
 

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There are prisons which definitely do not record the private conversations with visitors. I don't know what the practice is in the US but with organised crime inmates it seems possible, especially given the number of bugs known to have been placed in high-ranking crime bosses' homes, let alone prisons.
in the U.S, nothing is private in prisons, except lawyer/prisoner conversations
 

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here are my unofficial android ports of A Wife And Mother.
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you have to play part 1 to the very end and let the game export your progress.
provide a meaningful name to keep different playthroughs apart.
you start part 2 by importing one of your exported game states. save files made by anything other than part 2 are marked incompatible cuz there is simply no content of part 1 to get part 1 save files working.

from now on my android ports of Ren'Py games have a 2nd, persistent save location like windows. if you uninstall an app, the save files and persistent data remain intact.
therefore the app needs the permission to access the public external storage (or a new one on Android 11 :FacePalm:), because it has to read and write outside its own external storage directories.
you have to grant the permission or the app is shut down.

have fun and please report problems (you can reach me ).
updated: 15.06.2021 (v0.130)
how to save game in android ?? there's no save option or menu
 

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Do you hate it more for being amateurish or for being a departure from a strict VN?
It’s so very basic a game, and should have been dropped during play testing because it’s way below the standards of every other element of AWAM, and obviously so. But that doesn’t make me hate it.

it’s a departure from what we’ve seen so far so it’s awkward, but that doesn’t make me hate it.

I hate it because it was clearly un-planned. It was so obviously an afterthought because there’s no renders between hit one, two, or three. If you miss on any of 1,2,3, the same Aiden_Fails [edit] Dylan_Fails [/edit] variable gets set, and there’s only one test: did you get all four or not?? So it was thrown in to replace a “Dylan wins” or “Dylan loses” menu, which would look even dumber than the mini game is lame.

so, how did we get here? We’ll, I propose we ended up with a mini game because L&P somehow envisioned a player who has been pro-Dylan to such an extent that they have more Dylan points than are possible up to that point in the game (54 when only 46 or so are possible) (and remember, they bothered to figure out how to cheat the points needed to proceed) and has chosen on three separate occasions to defend his mom’s honor to some hobos (L&P’s words, not mine - excellent nomenclature by the way, you fucking hack) - sorry I’m rambling.

To re-cap: THREE TIMES In this event, you’ve chosen to defend Sophia.

So I ask our discerning reader: what player who has reached this point in the script wants to lose to the hobos, be embarrassed in front of Sophia, and have things fizzle out? What player that got to that point needs to be asked a fourth time (whether by mini game or via menu):
“So it looks like you’re on the path where Dylan pursues his mom. You’ve made an awful lot of pro-Dylan choices to get here. But, and I know you’ve been pursuing this son-mom thing for almost four years now, but I still have to ask: are you sure you want Dylan to impress his mom right now?”

I mean, really? Really?
 
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Solution: Delete bugged save.

Bear in mind, that removing Save files in directory: ".../AWifeAndMother/game/saves" is not enough. You also have to remove it from RenPy backup save location.
In Windows 10 backup saves are located in directory: "C:/Users/your_windows_username/AppData/Roaming/RenPy/AWifeAndMother..."
Worked, thanks!
 

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I was going to address this too, but it seems that the mods got to it quickly. Some people just can't handle the internet. We're all frustrated with the game, but there's a line between criticism and being a jerk. Clearly our approach is not getting through to L&P, so we can't just beat him up if we hope to ever reach him.
Yeh, right with you on this. I bitch and moan and suggest and debate and sometimes throw a hissy fit and overreach (which rightly gets deleted by the moderators). But i think we shouldn’t consciously try to launch personal attacks or denigrate the developer’s effort or question their motivations. We can question/criticize their decisions and the results of those decisions all day long, just not be attacking them personally or calling them names.
Though, admittedly, I did just call him a hack for going with “hobo”. In my defense, after all that talk about translators and what we recently learned about that process, “hobo” is just a piss-poor outcome.
 

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It’s so very basic a game, and should have been dropped during play testing because it’s way below the standards of every other element of AWAM, and obviously so. But that doesn’t make me hate it.

it’s a departure from what we’ve seen so far so it’s awkward, but that doesn’t make me hate it.

I hate it because it was clearly un-planned. It was so obviously an afterthought because there’s no renders between hit one, two, or three. If you miss on any of 1,2,3, the same Aiden_Fails [edit] Dylan_Fails [/edit] variable gets set, and there’s only one test: did you get all four or not?? So it was thrown in to replace a “Dylan wins” or “Dylan loses” menu, which would look even dumber than the mini game is lame.

so, how did we get here? We’ll, I propose we ended up with a mini game because L&P somehow envisioned a player who has been pro-Dylan to such an extent that they have more Dylan points than are possible up to that point in the game (54 when only 46 or so are possible) (and remember, they bothered to figure out how to cheat the points needed to proceed) and has chosen on three separate occasions to defend his mom’s honor to some hobos (L&P’s words, not mine - excellent nomenclature by the way, you fucking hack) - sorry I’m rambling.

To re-cap: THREE TIMES In this event, you’ve chosen to defend Sophia.

So I ask our discerning reader: what player who has reached this point in the script wants to lose to the hobos, be embarrassed in front of Sophia, and have things fizzle out? What player that got to that point needs to be asked a fourth time (whether by mini game or via menu):
“So it looks like you’re on the path where Dylan pursues his mom. You’ve made an awful lot of pro-Dylan choices to get here. But, and I know you’ve been pursuing this son-mom thing for almost four years now, but I still have to ask: are you sure you want Dylan to impress his mom right now?”

I mean, really? Really?
I guess I don't really disagree with any of your points, it just didn't bother me. I was just happy to see something different, even if it really isn't very well done in the grand scheme of things. If this is the start of more, and better, mini games, I think that would be a good thing. If this is the only time he does a mini game, it will be a real head scratcher. I'd like to know how much time this took him to assemble.
 

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It's erotic in the context of what's happening in the place & time. It's a matter of personal taste but to me there is no erotic charge in a son lusting after his mother but many fans are playing this game for the incest. Until people started having a jab at the blackmail, I had nothing to say on either subject. Now I find I'm posting about the Aiden path regularly, even though it's far from the only reason I play AWAM. Instead of speculating about where it could, (& probably won't) go, many posts seem to express disapproval in some form.

Every single adult corruption game I've ever played contained coercion. This was usually of a much cruder, straightforward type than has so far featured in AWAM, which up to now has been blackmail with a vanilla flavour but has still managed to be erotic. Just as it could be wondered as to why I play a corruption game containing incest, (which I avoid when I can), so it could be mystifying as to why the coercion factor has not been taken for granted in a game of this genre & pulls in so many negative comments. It's an integral part of the theme folks.

There are so many options available for those who find it too much, from never starting it at all, to myriad ways of ducking out of it, with more to come. Incest is MUCH harder to avoid. Even I didn't grasp when I started playing, just how important an aspect it would be. I understand that people all have widely differing tastes in the AWAM fanbase but here's the thing..... I like the blackmail. I find it erotic. I'm never going to apologise for that. I'm here to indulge in dark fantasies in an entirely fictional world, as are incest fans. It doesn't mean that either of those branches of the fanbase would take part in such practices in reality. I will not be kink-shamed, have blackmail labelled as toxic, or otherwise sit back when some of this story's best bits (IMO), are under attack. Nor will I do what I've long considered, ie drop in to make some disparaging remark about the incest, in the style of the blackmail critiques.

Playing AWAM, whether for incest, blackmail, or anything else, does not make any of us greater sinners than we already are.
So agree with you on this. People calling groping close to rape is bizarre to me. Rape does not have a subjective meaning, it has a definite one. This is sexual harassment. Not saying it's right at all but people really make a big deal out if everything that happens, I don't what kind of corruption games you guys have played where there was no groping without consent or MC being forced to do something. Here it is still far more in control.

One is continuously making the choice of Sophia wearing revealing clothes, going out of town among unknown people, showing breasts to a stranger, will everything be very smooth even after all this. I would believe absolutely not. At that point anyone could have groped her. If one of the students had done that without her consent it wouldn't be made into an issue.

And people making an issue of Aiden's groping and The shota content, it's not like it is being forced on you, a clear choice to leave them is available at numerous points in the story. There are people who are disgusted by incest like most are by blackmail and shota, they however don't have much of choice. The primary storylines Dylan Ellie and Patricia are needed even for other storylines at times. So you are pretty much not having even 30% of the content of you don't like incest.

Also I feel the Aiden could grope Sophia only because she didn't know it was Aiden. She was more or less tricked. Just like how Dylan sneaked a kiss before his match. Does not mean Aiden can get to grope Sophia again in the next task. I feel the next task will be a regression from this.
 

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I guess I don't really disagree with any of your points, it just didn't bother me. I was just happy to see something different, even if it really isn't very well done in the grand scheme of things. If this is the start of more, and better, mini games, I think that would be a good thing. If this is the only time he does a mini game, it will be a real head scratcher. I'd like to know how much time this took him to assemble.
If I could read the code and figure out what it’s doing (I am a novice at best) then it’s safe to assume this took probably no more than ten-fifteen minutes of googling and testing.

let’s roll back about 2.5 years: Ellie asks Dylan to help with her computer. Player must complete a sequence of mini game stages to fix her problem and is subsequently rewarded with a smiling and hugging cheerleader captain in tight shorts. Ah, precedent.

but no, there’s no evidence that mini games were ever intended to be a part of this.

So, L&P is what? Bored with the project to the extent that he’s starting to fool around with what has been up to this point, and despite all the delays, a winning formula? Not good.
 

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If I could read the code and figure out what it’s doing (I am a novice at best) then it’s safe to assume this took probably no more than ten-fifteen minutes of googling and testing.

let’s roll back about 2.5 years: Ellie asks Dylan to help with her computer. Player must complete a sequence of mini game stages to fix her problem and is subsequently rewarded with a smiling and hugging cheerleader captain in tight shorts. Ah, precedent.

but no, there’s no evidence that mini games were ever intended to be a part of this.

So, L&P is what? Bored with the project to the extent that he’s starting to fool around with what has been up to this point, and despite all the delays, a winning formula? Not good.
I feel this was more of experiment just like the animation in this update. He maybe trying to learn and incorporate things in the game but since his Dev cycle is already slow he does not have time to separately sit and learn and practice this, so he incorporated into the game itself.
 

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I’m just calling out that I don’t consider it “erotic”, and specifically that word. Hot, sexy, arousing, flips my cookie, all those things: yes. Erotic, to my mind, connotes a mutual consent and enjoyment. If it were even set up where Ares says “I’m gonna squeeze your titties” - you know, says something aggressive and vulgar and then the choice is “this excites me” or “keep your fucking hands off me”, then choosing to continue, for me, at least, preserves the “erotic” element.

I’m the end, this is pure semantics and depends entirely on how broad our personal interpretation of “erotic” is. For me, Ares’s actions w/o direct consent is not erotic, it’s forcible. But, to each their own.
This whole thing with consent has gotten way out of hand ever since the #MeToo movement started. It's gotten to the point where some people and places actually drew up entire guidelines dictating how men should obtain consent for each little action, even for such innocuous things as holding hands, a quick kiss or just a tender touch on her shoulder for support. This was never a problem before and women particularly never had any problem with little things like what I mentioned previously. If they did romance novels would have never taken off in popularity with women.

How many of those books depicted strong, sexy men taking liberties with the women who desired them. From undressing them, giving them a passionate kiss, forcing them down on the ground, or taking them in unexpected places. In each case, either gently or roughly, the women were drawn to these men because the men were not afraid to take a chance and act on the moment or their passion.

I remember shortly after the #MeToo movement had started and was part of a chat with a notable female speaker and writer. She was totally against what the movement stood for and told us of a time in high school that would have never been possible if this had happened when she was a kid. She was just a teenager in high school and was with her friends watching a basketball game between her school and a rival. It was the final game for the championship and her and her schoolmates were extremely hyped up over the game and hoping to see their team win. In the end her school's team did win and by a narrow margin. Immediately the place went wild with cheers, high fives and even some dancing among her schoolmates. Suddenly a guy next to her who was celebrating the win just turned to her, placed his hands on her cheeks and gave her a deep, passionate kiss. And just as quickly let her go and walked off continuing to celebrate with his friends. She recalled how startled she was, but also how her heart beat faster and the giddiness she felt from the kiss. It turned her on ever so slightly and she never forgot that moment. It was a spur of the moment passion.

Consider if that had happened today, someone would have called the police and accused the man of assault all because he didn't get "consent". However I fail to see how the situation would have been any better if the guy had instead turned to her and calmly asked, "Excuse me may I kiss you?". That right there just comes off as creepy.

Now I'm not saying the situation with Aiden and Sophia is the same as the example I just gave, but people saying he should have gotten consent to reveal her breast and place his hand on it are just being absurd given the context of the situation. Sophia had already partially disrobed earlier, knew nudity would be required by the instructor which she was ok with and Ares was only following the instructions of the teacher. Of course he couldn't resist being a jerk and tweak her nipple at the end before going.

This "getting consent for everything intimate" has eroded our trust between men and women. Both sexes used to be able to act on their passion for small moments and no one ever had any problems with that. Now it appears that's over. That's sad.
 
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